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		<title>Lake Placid follow up</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Feb 2011 13:54:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Camp Superintendent James Vianna</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[         On October 30, 2010, I was able to make a return trip back to Lake Placid to attempt to find the three points comprising V. Colvin&#8217;s &#8220;great baseline&#8221; extending from Signal Hill down to the southerly shore of Lake Placid and then across the lake to Hawk Island. The original measurements of the land segment of this baseline [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>         On October 30, 2010, I was able to make a return trip back to Lake Placid to attempt to find the three points comprising V. Colvin&#8217;s &#8220;great baseline&#8221; extending from Signal Hill down to the southerly shore of Lake Placid and then across the lake to Hawk Island. The original measurements of the land segment of this baseline is detailed below under <span style="color: #000000;"><a href="http://www.colvincrew.org/archives/355" target="_blank">&#8220;measuring bars&#8221; </a></span>and represents one of the more precise measurements ever made in the Adirondacks.</p>
<p>With the invaluable assistance of Bob and Dan Marvin who provided GPS services and a boat, we were able to recover the north base mark on Hawk Island.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.colvincrew.org/core/wp-content/uploads/MVC-033F.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-medium wp-image-489" title="North base station" src="http://www.colvincrew.org/core/wp-content/uploads/MVC-033F-300x225.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="225" /></a></p>
<p>Colvin&#8217;s signal over the mark is as shown here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.colvincrew.org/core/wp-content/uploads/Hawk-Island-north-base-signal.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-490" title="Hawk Island north base signal" src="http://www.colvincrew.org/core/wp-content/uploads/Hawk-Island-north-base-signal.jpg" alt="" width="865" height="586" /></a></p>
<p>Unfortunately, the station on the south shore of the lake (if still in) rests under a newly laid, imported stone patio that I don&#8217;t think the owners would have taken kindly to if we dismantled it. We then proceeded to Signal Hill to search for the mark that was listed in 1946 as being destroyed by road construction. After numerous 3-4 feet deep test holes were dug in the gravel road nothing was found.</p>
<p>Special thanks goes out to Northern and Bob and Dan Marvin for their assistance in completing this recovery.</p>
<p>Jim Vianna</p>
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		<title>How accurate was Colvin&#8217;s work</title>
		<link>http://www.colvincrew.org/archives/429</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:06:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Camp Superintendent James Vianna</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am often asked &#8220;how accurate were Colvin&#8217;s measurements&#8221;.          Well, based on the extremely small sampling that I have personally re-measured, I would say it varies from better than what is typically obtained today to god awful. The better work appears to be that in which Colvin personally performed the observations and the worst appears to [...]]]></description>
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<p>I am often asked &#8220;how accurate were Colvin&#8217;s measurements&#8221;.</p>
<p>         Well, based on the extremely small sampling that I have personally re-measured, I would say it varies from better than what is typically obtained today to god awful. The better work appears to be that in which Colvin personally performed the observations and the worst appears to be that which was performed in his absence.</p>
<p>The following link, will take you to a web page entitled: <a href="http://gretchen.geo.rpi.edu/roecker/adk95/gps/usgs_report/adk95_gps_usgs.html" target="_blank">&#8220;Kinematics and Dynamics of Strain Accumulation in the Adirondacks&#8221;</a> USGS 1434-94-G-2473, Final Report by John Beavan, Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory of Columbia University, Palisades, NY 10964</p>
<p>This 1995 report details the use of Colvin station marks in helping to determine the movement of the Adirondack Mountain range. A resulting un-intended conclusion of their work is found in the report  as follows: </p>
<p><span style="color: #ff0000;">&#8220;Conclusion: The 1800&#8242;s triangulation surveys of the Adirondacks resulted in horizontal station coordinates precise to about 0.5 m (when selecting the best data available to us). The 1940&#8242;s survey resulted in precisions of 0.1-0.2 m. The 1995 GPS data gives precisions estimated at 0.01-0.02 m. The accuracies of the earlier surveys, while commendable for their time, are insufficient to detect deformation associated with the uplift of the Adirondacks.&#8221;</span></p>
<p> Jim Vianna</p></div>
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		<title>Colvin Reports Now Available</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 19:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Camp Superintendent James Vianna</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[  The N.Y.S. Library is in the process of scanning and electronically publishing all of Colvin&#8217;s reports to the N.Y.S. Legislators (and the maps found in those reports). A large portion of this work has now been completed and is available for downloading. The scans are in .pdf format and may take a considerable period of time to [...]]]></description>
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<div>The N.Y.S. Library is in the process of scanning and electronically publishing all of Colvin&#8217;s reports to the N.Y.S. Legislators (and the maps found in those reports). A large portion of this work has now been completed and is available for downloading. The scans are in .pdf format and may take a considerable period of time to appear on your computer. I suggest the use of their FAQ page if you encounter problems. You will not be able to bookmark each report as they use a constantly changing URL. The best way to gain access to the downloads is by clicking below, then selecting the &#8220;search digital collections&#8221; bar located near the top of the page and then type in &#8220;Verplanck Colvin&#8221; in the search window</div>
<p style="text-align: center;"><big><big><a class="aligncenter" href="http://www.nysl.nysed.gov/scandocs/" target="_blank">Colvin Reports</a></big></big></p>
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		<title>Measuring Bars ???????</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 19:01:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Camp Superintendent James Vianna</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I first came across these pictures while visiting the Adirondack Research Center of the Association for the Protection of the Adirondacks about two years ago. Having never seen anything like this in the surveying world previously, to say it caught my interest is an understatement. Well, after keeping my ears open, I finally obtained the last Colvin report [...]]]></description>
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<p style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">I first came across these pictures while visiting the <a href="http://www.protectadks.org/data/">Adirondack Research Center of the Association for the Protection of the Adirondacks </a><span>about two years ago. Having never seen anything like this in the surveying world <span>previously</span>, to say it caught my interest is an understatement. Well, after keeping my ears open, I finally obtained the last <span>Colvin</span> report published for the years 1898-1899 which was edited by fellow crew member Norman J. <span>VanValkenburg</span> and published in 1989. Much to my <span>surprise</span>, therein was found a detailed report on the use of these measuring bars as written by Professor E. A. <span>Fuertes</span>, Director and Dean of the College of Civil Engineering of Cornell University. This report details the Professor&#8217;s work at Lake Placid in August of 1897.</span><br />
<span>                 While I admit that the following report is an exception rather than the norm for the expected accuracy of <span>Colvin&#8217;s</span> work, I find it extremely interesting and worthy of an easy future recovery.</span></p>
<p style="TEXT-ALIGN: center"><span>  These two pictures show the crew measuring down the slope of land towards the shore of Lake Placid</span></p>
<p style="TEXT-ALIGN: center"> (Note: the use of two instruments in this process)</p>
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<p style="TEXT-ALIGN: center"><img class="aligncenter size-large wp-image-357" title="V4" src="http://www.colvincrew.org/core/wp-content/uploads/V4-1024x446.jpg" alt="V4" width="819" height="357" /></p>
<p>                                     <img class="size-full wp-image-356 alignnone" title="V5" src="http://www.colvincrew.org/core/wp-content/uploads/V5.jpg" alt="V5" width="794" height="397" /></p>
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<p style="TEXT-ALIGN: center"><span>Here is the actual report as told in Prof. <span>Fuertes</span> own words and as extracted from &#8220;REPORT OF THE SUPERINTENDENT OF THE STATE LAND SURVEY OF THE STATE OF NEW YORK FOR THE YEAR 1898&#8243; edited by Norman J. Van <span>Valkenburgh</span> , The Adirondack Research Center of the Association for the Protection of the Adirondacks, 1989, first edition.</span></p>
<p style="TEXT-ALIGN: center"><span>(Click on the individual page to open it in a larger window for ease of viewing)</span></p>
<p style="TEXT-ALIGN: center"><span><a href="http://www.colvincrew.org/core/wp-content/uploads/scan0001.gif"><img class="aligncenter size-medium wp-image-359" title="scan0001" src="http://www.colvincrew.org/core/wp-content/uploads/scan0001-300x217.gif" alt="scan0001" width="300" height="217" /></a></span></p>
<p style="TEXT-ALIGN: center"><a href="http://www.colvincrew.org/core/wp-content/uploads/scan0002.gif"><img class="aligncenter size-medium wp-image-360" title="scan0002" src="http://www.colvincrew.org/core/wp-content/uploads/scan0002-300x217.gif" alt="scan0002" width="300" height="217" /></a></p>
<p style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">  <a href="http://www.colvincrew.org/core/wp-content/uploads/scan0003.gif"><img class="aligncenter size-medium wp-image-361" title="scan0003" src="http://www.colvincrew.org/core/wp-content/uploads/scan0003-300x217.gif" alt="scan0003" width="300" height="217" /></a></p>
<p style="TEXT-ALIGN: center"><a href="http://www.colvincrew.org/core/wp-content/uploads/scan0004.gif"><img class="size-medium wp-image-362 aligncenter" title="scan0004" src="http://www.colvincrew.org/core/wp-content/uploads/scan0004-300x217.gif" alt="scan0004" width="300" height="217" /></a></p>
<p style="TEXT-ALIGN: center"> <a href="http://www.colvincrew.org/core/wp-content/uploads/scan0005.gif"><img class="aligncenter size-medium wp-image-358" title="scan0005" src="http://www.colvincrew.org/core/wp-content/uploads/scan0005-300x217.gif" alt="scan0005" width="300" height="217" /></a></p>
<p style="TEXT-ALIGN: center"><a href="http://www.colvincrew.org/core/wp-content/uploads/scan0005.gif"></a></p>
<p style="TEXT-ALIGN: center"><a rel="attachment wp-att-358" href="http://www.colvincrew.org/archives/355/scan0005"></a><a rel="attachment wp-att-359" href="http://www.colvincrew.org/archives/355/scan0001"></a> Items worthy of note are: The Professor being upset with the monument being 1 mm out of position, 20 days to go 1,144 feet and a difference in the two runs of 0.002± of a foot.</p>
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		<title>Is this a Colvin marker?</title>
		<link>http://www.colvincrew.org/archives/293</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 00:12:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Camp Superintendent James Vianna</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Many hikers are familiar with finding U.S.C.&#38;G.S. (United States Coast and Geodetic Survey) disks on their favorite Adirondack peaks like this one: The question then becomes, does this marker occupy the original Colvin hole?  Well, based on V. Colvins report to the N.Y.S. Legislators, apparently the Federal Government was removing his markers and setting their own as far back as [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many hikers are familiar with finding U.S.C.&amp;G.S. (United States Coast and Geodetic Survey) disks on their favorite Adirondack peaks like this one:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.colvincrew.org/core/wp-content/uploads/usgs-1942.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-thumbnail wp-image-294" title="usgs-1942" src="http://www.colvincrew.org/core/wp-content/uploads/usgs-1942-150x150.jpg" alt="usgs-1942" width="245" height="206" /></a></p>
<p>The question then becomes, does this marker occupy the original Colvin hole?  Well, based on V. Colvins report to the N.Y.S. Legislators, apparently the Federal Government was removing his markers and setting their own as far back as the late 1800&#8242;s:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.colvincrew.org/core/wp-content/uploads/colvin_journal_page_1.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-large wp-image-292" title="colvin_journal_page_1" src="http://www.colvincrew.org/core/wp-content/uploads/colvin_journal_page_1-685x1023.jpg" alt="colvin_journal_page_1" width="650" height="773" /></a></p>
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<p style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">   Here is a picture of the crew at work on the same mountain top :</p>
<p style="TEXT-ALIGN: center"><img class="aligncenter size-large wp-image-291" title="colvin_journal_page_2" src="http://www.colvincrew.org/core/wp-content/uploads/colvin_journal_page_2-612x1023.jpg" alt="colvin_journal_page_2" width="612" height="1023" /></p>
<p style="TEXT-ALIGN: center"> </p>
<p>So, It would appear that it probably was standard practice for the Federal Government to remove Colvin&#8217;s bolt and replace it with one of their own (mines better than your&#8217;s thing ). On rare occasions they left Colvin&#8217;s marker in place (See Ruby Mtn. write up). Both Colvin and the U.S.C.&amp;G.S. points were and still are subject to vandalizism, resulting sometimes in only a drill hole being found today. Many times it is not possible to ascertain the truth but occasionally with additional research a likelyhood can be established as to the question of does this disk occupy Colvin&#8217;s point.</p>
<p>Jim Vianna</p>
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